I've played Logan wing, missile spam, razor spam, foot slogging grey hunters, bloodclaw death star, Nijal, Twolf spam and drop pod grey hunters. They've all see success and failure and every single one was fun.

Coming from playing codex marines these guys are a dream come true for me. Grey hunters are the answer to all my power armor dreams. What I thought was a good core unit turned into the greatest core unit. You can stack 9 (10 with a wolfguard) in a rhino and be successful with a list comprised of 80% grey hunters.
It really started coming together for me before I played wolves. In a small points game, I blew up the rhino and was like "Ok, those guys are delt with." Then it hit me that its not 10 space marines; its ten grey hunters. Big difference when you start adding all their wargear in there. A grey hunter squad with a powerfist wolfguard, meltagun, banner, and wulfen (maybe a power weapon too, thats how deep I roll) its pretty potent and far from neutralized when their ride blows up.
The only disadvantage I've found so far is that if you stack special weapons deep you really need to max out the squad. Unlike tac marines, the maxed out grey hunters have a limited number of yutzes to jump in front of bullets before you are putting saves on specialty weapons. Typically there are weapons more useful than others so its not hard to lose one or two of the weapons, but its one draw back to maxing out gear on a razorback squad of 6; only one chump to die before it starts to hurt.


I usually run 3 twolves, because I like to keep it fun in casual games (but not a throw-away game!). Running 4 with a lord gets really expensive and is a lot of overkill. The lord alone runs like 260 kitted out, but he usually earns his points back. When running just 4 twolves I'll usually not have a 4th shield. Generally, unless they're getting hosed by plasma you can avoid putting something AP3 or better on the non-shield guy and even if you do, its usually just one of the wounds.
These guys are a great shock troop unit and that's how I run them. They have a huge charge advantage so they're usually in combat a turn or two ahead of the grey hunters. Also, with the high number of attack, toughness and 3++, they obviously are a strong unit. I really like smashing them into the line or attacking foot troop choices to take away the opponents scoring ability. Generally, even the 3 man 'lite' unit is better in combat than the average troop unit.


Now obviously, you're going to be outnumbered with Loganwing, which is a big disadvantage. Grey Knights have really become kings of the outnumbered. With GK heavy in the meta, power armor players really need to push numbers to deal with the fact that in close combat you're just going to get cut through. I don't really see it viable in tournaments in this moment of meta, but who knows when grey knights get settled in and fall into a more average number of players.
My Space Wolves experience so far has really shown me why people love them so much. I have a hard time just looking at a codex and seeing how it works on the table so I have a lot of growing pains compared to other players who can just look at the codex and know what's going on with the army. Right now I'm just going through that with the wolves. In the future I want to play around with speeders and Fenrisian wolves. I've really enjoyed my experiences so far and the ability for wolves to work with what most people would consider 'fun' lists....if you can consider playing against any wolves list as fun...
I am glad to see you are finding your power armour home in the Wolves. As much as everyone on the web bitches about them, we really have a small representation of them locally and even on the east coast I only saw three different wolf players out of four different stores I visited.
ReplyDeleteI think it's easy to call cheese on something, when in truth what draws people to the wolves is the fact that there are so many potential army themes in there and many of them are fun to play and to play against.
When it comes to the Logan builds, I believe that it can be done with Grey Hunter Spam as well, especially when they are kitted out and within 18" of Logan. Have fun charging that!
I look forward to the Wolf and the Lion meeting on the table soon and even to fighting them with the Sons of Perturbio.
By the way, what do you plan to do with the Night Lords. I hope you are keeping them around. They are classic and terrifying!
I cant deny wolves being a great book hell must be with all the cheese and counts as arguments going on lol. The thing i really hope for is that they would stick with making books where all the choices are good even if the individual choice is not the best in a super hard competition envrionment but at least still a good unit and worth the points you pay overall.
ReplyDeleteThis will allow for players to make lists that are interesting and fun to play while still being solid for most gaming aspects. I feel like this will eliminate spam(i dont mean choice spam i mean same army list copy paste spam). Im sure the internet will tell me otherwise but hey i find now time and time again that the Net is not reality.
I feel most of the newer dexes are trying to do this but some have fallen short. I am sure i don't need to name them. I just hope they stay on track so each book will have many solid playable lists to suit peoples play styles and not to mention how great that would be for the hobby side of the house.