tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post5101825326950489186..comments2024-03-26T02:32:50.095-04:00Comments on Dark Future Games: Outflanking And You: An Imperial Guard Guidebook and ListsTJ Atwellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01304177224607153451noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-46333357966271324652011-03-23T20:05:31.061-04:002011-03-23T20:05:31.061-04:00HellHenni, its not about the str 8 melta vs str 10...HellHenni, its not about the str 8 melta vs str 10, which btw on average if you get the melta distance, the str has a better average chance of penetrating than the Str 10. It is about the extra 6 inches of movement you from the hellhound over the Leman Russ. Now dont get me wrong, the extra size of the LR Demolisher gives more opportunity to kill troops, which is why i picked it in the first place.Lord Solar Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00252060382871829075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-32649805574435226502011-03-23T19:58:16.843-04:002011-03-23T19:58:16.843-04:00I've been thinking about doing an all reserves...I've been thinking about doing an all reserves IG list myself sometime ago, so I really like your article.<br /><br />Considering List 1 I'd drop Kell (to expensive IMO) and maybe also change one of the Demolishers to a regular LRBT to get some more ranged shooting.<br />The melta hellhound variants lack durability IMO compared to the Demolishers (34 armour VS. 38 armour). And strength 10 should be enough to crack open most vehicles anyway.<br /><br />Else, keep up the good work here! :-)HellHenninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-85219183149828642872011-03-23T15:50:58.436-04:002011-03-23T15:50:58.436-04:00Well lets hope you do! I am excited to read a revi...Well lets hope you do! I am excited to read a review and battle report on one or both of these lists!Lord Solar Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00252060382871829075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-48148043512940302832011-03-23T13:37:57.592-04:002011-03-23T13:37:57.592-04:00Damn ... might have to mount the Tallarn and get t...Damn ... might have to mount the Tallarn and get that show on the road!TJ Atwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01304177224607153451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-61646955853726501902011-03-23T13:37:07.128-04:002011-03-23T13:37:07.128-04:00I think if you took your normal Guard, drummed you...I think if you took your normal Guard, drummed your Leman's down to 3 squads of one, pushed in three vendettas, kept your vets in chimeras, maybe some with heavy weapons and plasma and some to move out with melta, you would have a list that isn't only durable, but can take tanks, elite infantry, infantry, heavy vehicles and suffer th loss of chimeras due to vendettas or vice versa .... though you would have to move around!TJ Atwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01304177224607153451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-41791309710087385422011-03-23T11:37:09.539-04:002011-03-23T11:37:09.539-04:00Oh Captain Obvious, I wrote these lists for OST, n...Oh Captain Obvious, I wrote these lists for OST, not for myself. However that does not mean I would not be willing to try them out. You have to understand, I created my lists based on available models, and my love for the Leman Russ variants. <br /><br />However with my recent aquisition of 2 Vendetta/Valkyrie kits (mmmm 2nd place at The Test of Khaine and winning most Victory points) on top of the other Vendetta/Valkyrie kit I got after the team tourny over at GYGO, my lists are going to be getting some revamps as I test out alternate styles.Lord Solar Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00252060382871829075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-88599817269483970602011-03-23T10:48:59.573-04:002011-03-23T10:48:59.573-04:00Out flanking guard sounds cool. You do relize thi...Out flanking guard sounds cool. You do relize this will require you to actually move LSS? Im sure u relized this but i have to point out the obvious.Captain Obvioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17697788786940104409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-47879334492099452582011-03-22T17:39:54.093-04:002011-03-22T17:39:54.093-04:00Well i thought of it after a nasty spout with my g...Well i thought of it after a nasty spout with my good friend Samsquanch Monster where what he thought was a friendly game to try out fun things, and I thought a normal get ready for tournament game ended in him challenging me to another "SUPER SERIOUS" game where we knew who we would be facing and make a list accordingly. <br /><br />I knowing he played the wolves, knew he would drop pod my ass with as much stuff as possible, as he knew i liked to run lots of Leman Russ tanks, unfortunately for him, I did a null deployment list and you should have seen the look on his face when at first I did not get upset at not getting first turn, and then at placing anything on the board, and then at not trying to seize... finally he took a 3rd look at my list and then had to drop pod in his own deployment area cause what else would he do. Now I did not end up winning this match, but it was a lot of fun and my first attempt at it, with a bit of tweaking (these lists are far different) i think it can be nicely competitive and tons of fun.Lord Solar Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00252060382871829075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-66621485280385159792011-03-22T16:42:16.480-04:002011-03-22T16:42:16.480-04:00Null deployment IG, whod'a thunk it? Love the...Null deployment IG, whod'a thunk it? Love the concept!Chaosheadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11905587383925116811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-9792140669631836552011-03-22T15:00:05.620-04:002011-03-22T15:00:05.620-04:00I thought the IG outflanked with artillery shells?...I thought the IG outflanked with artillery shells?Dave Garbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01557481319925772152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-86464007337400918442011-03-22T14:54:02.790-04:002011-03-22T14:54:02.790-04:00Nope, Astropath is still useful while in reserve -...Nope, Astropath is still useful while in reserve - his ability is "while still alive", not "while in play" or "while on the board". (and the INAT agrees)<br /><br />INAT, in my opinion gets most things right - enough to make it a useful source of rulings on stuff that GW makes horribly unclear. Yeah, there's some bad blood at the store from the fact that the people writing the FAQ also play in the tournaments (at least some of them), but I can't think of any really glaringly biased rulings. <br /><br />And there are some things that need the additional ruling, that GW simply does not address or hasn't addressed yet. For example, the rules-storm that emerged from the Doom of Malantai. I think the INAT got it wrong, and GW didn't rule the way they did, but it was worth it just to have a consistent ruling one way or the other. And when GW does rule on an issue in their FAQ, the INAT adopts that ruling as well, so it's not them writing their own house rules.Vogrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01203890099031251851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-34359885303152246662011-03-22T13:34:19.724-04:002011-03-22T13:34:19.724-04:00Max, thanks for the feedback and its always apprec...Max, thanks for the feedback and its always appreciated. the INAT FAQ is all dependant on what we feel like, in general we just use the GW FAQ, until it gets closer to Adepticon time. Even so, the Astropath is still useful after he is on board.<br /><br />Second, the lascannons give the Demolishers a long range option if something they are trying to fire at is out of their normal 24, at least thats my reason. Plus we have plenty of flamer weapons in the list.Lord Solar Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00252060382871829075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-13423219529760802752011-03-22T13:07:42.001-04:002011-03-22T13:07:42.001-04:00One thing to consider (a, if you play with INAT FA...One thing to consider (a, if you play with INAT FAQ and b, if it hasn't been changed since I last read it) is the Astropath can't use his abilities unless he's on the field. If you don't, and I don't blame you, nevermind.<br /><br />I think I prefer list 1, though you probably don't need Kell in there (you can easily replace him with voxen and probably still come out cheaper). I'd personally use heavy flamers on the Demolishers but that's probably just down to personal preference.Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12478821172146809894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-91604402497414567702011-03-22T12:54:16.505-04:002011-03-22T12:54:16.505-04:00Right, however Creed would have to use his special...Right, however Creed would have to use his special rule on himself, so it would only work that way if you were not outflanking Leman Russ or Hellhound variants.<br /><br />Originally Creed gets in a vendetta/valkyrie like the vet squads and the special weapons squadsLord Solar Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00252060382871829075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-4928939945405423702011-03-22T12:50:27.993-04:002011-03-22T12:50:27.993-04:00I'd go with list 2, mainly because i love Valk...I'd go with list 2, mainly because i love Valkyries/Vendettas/all things flying! More fast vehicles means more flat Out Cover Saves if you need them, and possibly making your list a bit more survivable. Plus if you get a bad roll on the Outflank then you will have to waste less time getting your men and guns into position.<br /><br />As for Chimeras - you can still issue orders out of them as they've got the Command Vehicle rule. Just measure order range from the hull. I presume then that Creed could benifit from his orders in the same manner.The GunGravehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07227627485676956592noreply@blogger.com