tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post4766830707880911704..comments2024-03-26T02:32:50.095-04:00Comments on Dark Future Games: The Slaughter Master Armor Dilemma: What is an Iron Fist?TJ Atwellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01304177224607153451noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-51831160045925977832011-10-17T18:24:00.600-04:002011-10-17T18:24:00.600-04:00I personally feel that the word "Mundane"...I personally feel that the word "Mundane" should be all people need to read to realize that a shield with basically anything other than the normal rules for a shield quickly makes the shield no longer "Mundane". The Ironfist ceases to be "Mundane" the minute it has exceptions or special rules associated with it. Im sure the wording can be argued all day so lets take a look at the design of the army for some more clues. While OST was here we tested the Ogre Book pretty thoroughly. I could honestly say that allowing SM to take armor would quickly push the Tyrant out as a solid choice for competition. Abuse Puppy your point about LD is a good one however it would only push the LD up by one. I dont see this as being that huge of a deal as Ogres either win combat by a mile even against elite troops like chaos warriors grave guard Etc or get multi charged and owned to the point that they would need double ones anyhow. I dont see much middleground with this army. So what is the bonus LD really being used for well not fear since ogres cause fear so they wont be checking for that. hmmmm Rally well your going to test on 9 if you have a musician and once again if the ogres are running you might already be screwed. I know theres magic that drops LD but once again alot of spells drop it pretty harshly at least 3 so 1 more or less is not going to mean much. The only thing i see is for panic checks from mass arty fire which can be hard for ogres to deal with since cannons and the like do d6 wounds and in this case the thing protecting you from any shooting your actually scared of will be the regen bubble off of gut magic which can be clutch if the opponent is not shooting you with mass flaming attacks. That being said the SM will keep you possibly safer from these things while making your army even more ridiculous in combat while being a super almost impossible to kill outside of nasty magic character if hes able to take armor. This does not mean i would never see a tyrant however unless your approaching a 3k point game and especially under 2k the nasty combo on the SM is a no brainer. Hell if your worried about items and casting power for your army take 2 SMs and make the tough one the general and the caster one can do whatever he wants really. Not to mention fire bellies are pretty solid and they make great scroll caddies as well as making weak hordes wet there pants. I really feel that at least from a competetive point of view if the SM can take armor it will force tyrants to a only fluffy choice in high value games after you have taken your boss mode slaughter master, BSB and even some fire bellies. Im not sure that is what GW would have intended but hey if its FAQed and they can wear armor that means people dont really have to buy that 40 dollar finecast model now do they. :)Chuck Groffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14459017165360028288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-22034714948975879052011-10-17T18:16:41.027-04:002011-10-17T18:16:41.027-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Chuck Groffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14459017165360028288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-10736210783618757612011-10-16T22:17:27.363-04:002011-10-16T22:17:27.363-04:00If it isn't a shield... what is it? It's a...If it isn't a shield... what is it? It's a shield that also has a special exception (even mounter characters can benefit from the Parry save.)<br /><br />Also I totally missed out on my opportunity to start my last post with "...A miserable pile of secrets!"AbusePuppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07413248837734103198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-84440842669219794502011-10-16T10:22:34.972-04:002011-10-16T10:22:34.972-04:00AP, I get what you are saying, but I really don...AP, I get what you are saying, but I really don't think the Iron Fist qualifies as a mundane shield is really all I am saying, particularly because it doesn't follow all the shield rules. I will say though that I hope the FAQ allows us to take him armored and that I will be the first person out the gates with a slaughtermaster decked out in armor like Danny McBride in Your Highness!TJ Atwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01304177224607153451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-12633387127832907622011-10-16T09:46:16.743-04:002011-10-16T09:46:16.743-04:00IMO, it should be legal until the FAQ is released....IMO, it should be legal until the FAQ is released. The Iron Fist is armor, allowing him to take armor. They have been good about releasing new FAQ's fairly quickly so we should now somewhat soon.Rhellionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12727373774177135065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-60992042235153297672011-10-16T08:11:37.938-04:002011-10-16T08:11:37.938-04:00Shields are a type of armor. (Magical shields are ...Shields are a type of armor. (Magical shields are all listed in the "magic armor" section.) Being allowed to take a shield lets you take magical armor, them's the rules. It's not overpowering in any real way because points you sink into that aren't making him any better of a spellcaster (for stuff like Hellheart, Dispel Scrolls, etc.)<br /><br />Tyrants are the only way to get Ld9, and with Ogres having pretty middling Ld numbers overall, that can be important. More important than a Slaughtermaster? Maybe not, but honestly wizards are so important that the magic armor really has no effect on that particular decision.<br /><br />I'm not a big fan of putting armor on the SM, all things considered, but as far as I can tell it's legal.AbusePuppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07413248837734103198noreply@blogger.com