tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post2526641429580115349..comments2024-03-26T02:32:50.095-04:00Comments on Dark Future Games: Orks in 6th Edition: Da Times they are a' Changin'TJ Atwellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01304177224607153451noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-58026147753273788772012-07-29T17:03:40.224-04:002012-07-29T17:03:40.224-04:00Thanks for your input, I'll definatley conside...Thanks for your input, I'll definatley consider your advice on list building.General Chaoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12060259752073133326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-38742058411675929262012-07-29T16:10:03.555-04:002012-07-29T16:10:03.555-04:00Sorry, I meant 120+.Sorry, I meant 120+.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12823855613385094850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-24149094654024533302012-07-29T16:09:23.974-04:002012-07-29T16:09:23.974-04:00If you want to field 120 Ork Boyz, I will thank yo...If you want to field 120 Ork Boyz, I will thank you for playing an incredibly rock-paper-scizzors army. <br />Orks are... dumb. Really dumb. 'Playing with an Ork metality' is a personal attribute you might not want to vocalize. <br />I don't mind at all that you're playing a theme list (and you would have to be if you're running 150+ boyz and 2 looted wagons), I simply think you're giving advice from a fluffy standpoint, not necessarily a competitive one. And that's fine, I enjoy playing themed lists (I do try and make them as killy as possible, though), I just didn't understand when reading the article that you weren't offering competitive insight.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12823855613385094850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-26453975116789995722012-07-29T08:46:00.624-04:002012-07-29T08:46:00.624-04:00If someone wants to skirt around my 120 Ork boyz t...If someone wants to skirt around my 120 Ork boyz to Assault my Looted Wagons I say thank you.<br /><br />You have to understand I play my Orks with an Ork mentality. When it comes to a tactical decision making I go with the Orky'est answer. Would a Ork not fire a extremely large, extremely loud cannon just because he "might" hit a few of his own boyz??? If you don't know the answer to that then you shouldn't be playing Orks. I have and will continue to take those shots all day long.<br /><br />Orks are far from a WAAC army and I play them because I love them. I stated before that the Looted Wagon is a fun model that got better. It's far from the most point efficient unit in the codex or in the game. I don't really care my list has two of them in it.General Chaoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12060259752073133326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-5386934809192084912012-07-28T01:33:12.623-04:002012-07-28T01:33:12.623-04:00Certainly not. High-AV vehicles(14-13) got buffed....Certainly not. High-AV vehicles(14-13) got buffed. They suffer far fewer damage results than your AV10-11 vehicles, so hull points are not that big of a deal. Rather than a hail of bolter fire and other middling strength shots, you'll likely suffer a few penetrating hits, which with a softer damage table will keep them in the game longer.<br /><br />36" is not the sort of range I would rely on to keep me out of assault. Fast units can close that distance in 2 turns, easily. It's not the 'park in a corner and pound away all game' sort of range. So, you have to sit directly behind your other units, and pray that something doesn't get around them, as well as pray that your blast doesn't scatter onto your own units, because your range necessitates that you aim at things relatively close to your own models. You're not fast enough to re-position while firing, and if you're not firing, your wasting more of that 125-point price tag.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12823855613385094850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-22123035393543332722012-07-27T16:14:40.924-04:002012-07-27T16:14:40.924-04:00OK I might be off base here, but are you telling m...OK I might be off base here, but are you telling me that since all vehicles took a whack from the nerf bat that I should just keep doing what I have always been doing and just accept it? Hmm... <br /><br />I say Nuts!<br /><br />Yes the Looted Wagons would get the same cover save 5+ from a KFF as all the other vehicles. I won't be taking one because, like you said I can get the same cover saves from 25% cover. Secondly, all vehicles are getting hit on 3's that is correct except my Looted Wagon are not going to be getting hit on 3's. Because they will in the rear with the gear with a wall of angry Greenskins in between. They won't be charging forward well unless I roll 1's on Don't Press Dat! but for the most part they will use that 36" range to stay back.General Chaoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12060259752073133326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-60733951832865786582012-07-26T13:39:10.307-04:002012-07-26T13:39:10.307-04:00However a reduction to the kustom force field'...However a reduction to the kustom force field's effects affects all vehicles, not just Kans and Wagons, so looted wagons suffered the same loss in usefulness. Likewise, vehicles being hit on 3+ hits all non-walkers. AP1 and 2 are no more effective than they were last edition; everything else just got worse; they are comparatively better, but will do no more damage than last edition. Vehicles do gain the benefit now, though, of easy-to-obtain cover, even if it is only 5+ now, meaning they can operate outside of a force field much more easily.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12823855613385094850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-28599611598269494612012-07-26T08:07:47.737-04:002012-07-26T08:07:47.737-04:00Yes, you are right that looted wagons are point in...Yes, you are right that looted wagons are point inefficient. Hence the reason I stated they are a fun unit that got a little better. But that aside, kanz just don't cut it anymore due to the reduction of the KFF , all Marines being able to krak grenade in assault and having only two hull points. Also battlewagons took a hit from again the KFF, getting hit on 3's in assaults, mass krak greenade attacks and the AP 1 and 2 bonuses to the damage chart. Like I stated Da times are changing.General Chaoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12060259752073133326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-43097140903120300402012-07-26T02:38:17.862-04:002012-07-26T02:38:17.862-04:00Fair enough, but it was an attempt to illustrate a...Fair enough, but it was an attempt to illustrate a point; a looted wagon boom gun platform is an inefficient way to do that sort of thing. Yes, Orks are the out-and-out best troops on a point-per-point basis, in a vaccuum. But Guard get blob squads, commissar lords, and orders that make them very, very good, well worth both their points and the points of the buffing models. Looted wagons don't have any mechanism to make up for their points inefficiency; a kustom force field helps with its armor, but it still has three other crap factors. As for what is better for Orks, Battlewagons to tote around your Boys are a better use of your Heavy slots. Killa Kans are also an excellent investment; lots of cheap vehicles that are still S:10 in melee, and have ROkkits with passable BS. A boom gun does what, anti-tank to an extent, and anti-infantry? Lootas do that too, and are very efficient at it. If you need something that can kill marines by some other mechanism than torrent, get you some Nobs or Mega Nobs.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12823855613385094850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-7457879060142506252012-07-26T02:27:08.025-04:002012-07-26T02:27:08.025-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12823855613385094850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-35054584438680892002012-07-25T20:07:20.772-04:002012-07-25T20:07:20.772-04:00and 30 Orks will walk over 30 Guardsmen? Apple to ...and 30 Orks will walk over 30 Guardsmen? Apple to Orange comparison. I am an Ork purist so I would never ally to just get Leman Russes.General Chaoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12060259752073133326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-63423995366162754882012-07-25T18:29:49.481-04:002012-07-25T18:29:49.481-04:00Sorry, but Looted Wagons with a Boom Gun still suc...Sorry, but Looted Wagons with a Boom Gun still suck. What, a Battle Cannon with a 36" range, crap BS and AV 11? Woo, good for you. Any real tank will laugh at it. 125 points for a closed-top and 2 big shootas? 35 more points and you get a Leman Russ with a hull Heavy flamer and a heavy stubber. Higher BS, more flexibility, a ton more range, and much, MUCH better armor.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12823855613385094850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-77634292695770583132012-07-25T12:07:37.542-04:002012-07-25T12:07:37.542-04:00"Your not gunna charge across the field anymo..."Your not gunna charge across the field anymore your gunna move to mid-field, set up camp on the objectives, and lay down MOAR' DAKKA!"<br /><br />That's how I played my Orks in early 5th. Seemed to work.Vonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12583821960347555993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-48328000915890641682012-07-25T11:56:03.717-04:002012-07-25T11:56:03.717-04:00Don't forget allies if you want more dakka, tr...Don't forget allies if you want more dakka, try some IG if you're into Blood Axes, very fluffy! You could get a squadron of Leman Russ :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-43368758761947058012012-07-25T09:15:40.138-04:002012-07-25T09:15:40.138-04:00Yup, shooty orks are scarier than ever.Yup, shooty orks are scarier than ever.Lead Legionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12700198528204457272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-2272207251977460602012-07-25T06:22:08.854-04:002012-07-25T06:22:08.854-04:00Man, yes, I was worried that when the edition chan...Man, yes, I was worried that when the edition changed, but WAAAAAAARGH! stayed the same that Orks were done (and I just got a hold of an Ork army last year!), but I think you are right. The guys with tons of shoota boys are going to be just fine and Ork dakka is plentiful.<br /><br />I may just have to make my ridiculously over the top looted wagon now.<br /><br />-Sorry about having to re-post your article BTWTJ Atwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01304177224607153451noreply@blogger.com