tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post2259917353269643692..comments2024-03-26T02:32:50.095-04:00Comments on Dark Future Games: Question for the Community; Do You Think There is a Meta Game?TJ Atwellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01304177224607153451noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-55522878721540630062011-02-07T08:39:32.976-05:002011-02-07T08:39:32.976-05:00This is a minor thing, but an obvious and straight...This is a minor thing, but an obvious and straight forward example. I think the most basic form of metagaming and understanding its existence is min-maxing. If a metagame didn't exist there would be little difference between giving the same upgrade to either of two units. Choosing one over the other due to cost efficiency has little to do with a unit individually and more to do with interrelationships of units.Jeffreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10279363536189089624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-48515889692941660822011-02-04T23:42:21.015-05:002011-02-04T23:42:21.015-05:00BILLLL BRASKY, best damn salesman in the company.BILLLL BRASKY, best damn salesman in the company.SeerKarandrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05864552771430102654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-5711260648156509172011-02-04T19:13:33.499-05:002011-02-04T19:13:33.499-05:00Yes, Virginia, there is a metagame, but different ...Yes, Virginia, there is a metagame, but different in how it's applied. I see it more as the some total of "known" or famous lists. I agree with sircarp that it's nowhere near as pervasive as in MtG but it definitely exists and warps at the very least how I build lists.<br /><br />When I build a list I have to account for Pod/DoA armies, horde Orks, mech Guard, mech Marines, TWolf/Longfang spam, Tyranid T6RUs, Meltavets... the list goes on and on. Most of these builds can produce a take-all-comers style list but they each do so in their own particular way, boiling down to a key facet that you have to plan for or have a glaring weakness in your build.<br /><br />It doesn't even matter if I haven't personally played against anyone with that build at the store, as I know that, thanks to the diverse group of players present, somebody could reach into their bag and bring out THE ONE ARMY TO CRUSH ALL MY DUDES.<br /><br />I'd say the reason that the metagame is less pervasive in 40k than Magic is that there are more possible viable builds, especially from the 5th ed codices. In magic there are maybe 7 or 8 decks that are in contention, and of those only 2 or 3 are going to show up in any number. In 40k that can be said for codices but within those there are at least 4-5 solid builds that have very different paths to win.<br /><br />If at your local club you can run into a wide gamut of archetypes it becomes harder to single one out to crush, with the possible exception being the generic "mech" archetype. This becomes especially true at a large tourney, where if you can't deal with each build you are going to get hosed at some point.<br /><br />The metagame comes more into focus when planning tactics against different builds, as you need to know what makes it hum and kill it right quick.Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12478821172146809894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-90924665622862173102011-02-04T17:30:47.460-05:002011-02-04T17:30:47.460-05:00I say yes to the Meta-game.I say yes to the Meta-game.Lyracianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13021663969271276571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-2642356440170152632011-02-04T15:51:43.659-05:002011-02-04T15:51:43.659-05:00Bill Brasky once ate a Bible while water skiing.Bill Brasky once ate a Bible while water skiing.Captain Obvioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17697788786940104409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-81559903958151645932011-02-04T15:17:45.924-05:002011-02-04T15:17:45.924-05:00I have a friend who tries to talk about the "...I have a friend who tries to talk about the "meta game" in every game we play. 40k. WoW. LoL. DnD. He is one of those "theorycraft" type of guys that talk a big talk, use statistics to predict outcomes... but never wins games, because in the end it doesn't really matter. I have made a habit of punching him in the face every time he says the word "meta". It's stupid.Skarvald the Troll-facedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00850398881112778705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-92060229912435345892011-02-04T13:47:42.859-05:002011-02-04T13:47:42.859-05:00There is a meta game no matter what level you are ...There is a meta game no matter what level you are at. When people are building lists they are scouring the net for common lists and tournament winning lists and building lists to counter them. You are taking into account what is popular at the time. The meta changes in scope based on level of play though. It is more prevalent at lower levels like FLGS play. It is not as bad at the GT level, but it is still there.SeerKarandrashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05864552771430102654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-21800920295217457502011-02-04T13:14:21.855-05:002011-02-04T13:14:21.855-05:00I would say that there is a metagame; not quite as...I would say that there is a metagame; not quite as powerful as it is in MtG, but present nonetheless. On a local level it's much stronger, you have the guys who run weird lists or have less popular armies that you have to take into account when building. <br /><br />But even on a larger scale; building a balanced list is in itself making a metagame decision. It does the same thing as taking a specific deck/sideboard to a MtG tourney; minimizes the number of bad matchups for your list. Taking melta to kill armor, or templates for lots of guys on foot? That's playing to the metagame. It's still a balanced list; but the current metagame demands that your list be able to have an answer to any threat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4101762574768178801.post-43371655097993148142011-02-04T12:35:00.061-05:002011-02-04T12:35:00.061-05:00I think all the situations you outlined there exsi...I think all the situations you outlined there exsist simultainiously. I do think that there is a Meta Game but this Meta Game is largely influenced at a local level (ie: gaming club) and the gamers favored gaming environments (ie: Tournaments) <br /><br />You could even say that everything that you just outlined there IS the Meta Game, as all those situations exsist and have a massive impact on the way we collect and game. <br /><br />I tend to build armies based on the 'Take on All Comers' model, mainly 'cos i dont want 5 different versions of the same army! I also have a Fluffy Army of Death Korps, which has never won a game yet!!<br /><br />So yes i think that there is a Meta Game, but its just larger than we all realise!The GunGravehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07227627485676956592noreply@blogger.com